of boldness. >> i'm going to give you extra time because no one's been able to explain the ryan budget. in fact, when ryan talked about it, well, we don't have enough time. >> it's a little like nancy pelosi we've got to pass it if we want to know. >> you said this yesterday, governor, if you get too specific, you end up compromising, selling out or showing your cards before you get into office. on the other side we all know paul ryan can do the math and he can spend the whole 90 minutes talking about -- >> of course paul ryan isn't the candidate for president. >> paul ryan will get his chance. >> if you endorsed budget, please explain to us how that works. >> well, at least there's a budget. >> he was for and then against it. >> so how should romney answer? our debate all this week has been your argument is he should avoid substance at all costs. so how should romney answer her question then? >> the good news is that the rules don't allow him to speak more than a few seconds. >> actually, two minutes i think. >> so move on to the next issue, the next issue. we're looking for details.